Feminist Journey: Jesus Feminist Chapter 2
Chapter 2: A Redemptive Movement
Sarah Bessey wants us to take a redemptive journey. The definition of Redemptive being “acting to save someone from error or evil.”. So my question who are we trying to save? If it’s ourselves would it not be better to call it something else? Atonement?? Part of that journey is God’s vision.
“God’s vision is to call a move forward into the future in full operation of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control, with a fearlessness that could only come from me”
I would love to know where she got this Vision from, where is it written in the bible?
On the topic of Slavery. She says that God helped move us away from Slavery and towards equality and freedom and justice for the oppressed. Originally I was going to list all the verses that has God supporting slavery and the verse that has him opposed, but she continues on to say that there is no specific verse in scripture that prohibits the buying and selling of human beings.
“And yet we accept and understand that slavery is evil precisely because of the Bible and because we understand God’s created purpose for humanity.”
I don’t accept and understand that slavery is evil because of the Bible. I accept that it is evil and wrong because of basic human rights. God does not treat people fairly. The fact that I have a list of verses showing him for and against slavery proves that.
God’s redemptive movement for slaves began after the fall with the proper treatment of slaves. What fall is she talking about? The only “fall” I am aware of is the fall of man with Adam and Eve. Far as I am concerned that has nothing to do with slaves. And that is before the flood. After the flood that should have been washed away, but Noah screwed that all up (See Search for Understanding Genesis 9).
She speaks about the Holy Spirit moving the church towards gender equality and how the church has responded. She write’s like it’s been a positive movement. But the church has not made positive movements towards gender equality. It has done much to harm it in fact; gays, lesbians, non-traditional marriage, single mothers, single dads, mixed families. The church only makes adjustments once society forces them to. You can say that is the Holy Spirit. But to me if it truly was the Holy Spirit, the church would be the first one accepting and that’s not how it is.
After reading a book about Judaism (Between Gods), I feel like Jews should be offended by her use of the word Shalom.
Complementarianism - is a theological view held by some in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, that men and women have different but complementary roles and responsibilities in marriage, family life, religious leadership, and elsewhere.
Egalitarianism - Egalitarianism is a trend of thought in political philosophy. An egalitarian favors equality of some sort: People should get the same, or be treated the same, or be treated as equals, in some respect. An alternative view expands on this last-mentioned option: People should be treated as equals, should treat one another as equals, should relate as equals, or enjoy an equality of social status of some sort. Egalitarian doctrines tend to rest on a background idea that all human persons are equal in fundamental worth or moral status.
Patriarchy - is a social system in which males are the primary authority figures central to social organization, occupy roles of political leadership, moral authority and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male rule and entails female subordination. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. The female equivalent is matriarchy.
Hermeneutics - is the theory of text interpretation, especially the interpretation of biblical texts, wisdom literature, and philosophical texts. The terms "hermeneutics" and "exegesis" are sometimes used interchangeably.
Redemptive Hermeneutic - I have never heard of this terminology and she's claims you can see redemptive movement of the Spirit in operation and that Jesus practices it as well. If you go according to her definition "it's an explanation or interpretation that leads to a way of living. Jesus broke social norms and explain it away with his preachings. It turned heads and changed how people did things. Makes sense.
Discussion Question and My Answer:
What ways do you see God - through the church or justice organizations - “moving us forward” toward a better understanding of his purpose? Oh what an interesting question for me. The first thing that came to mind is the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas. Kinda ruins it for all other churches. As I am not part of a church or any Christian organizations it is hard to give a researched answered to this question. My next thought is Pope Francis - he is a modern for a pope, but is still against abortion and homosexuality. He does preach love and respect for all, including those who have abortions and are gay, but he is against them. I think there has been a shift to separate church and state (or province) and I feel that is a good thing. It allows for more equality.
I would love to know your thoughts on everything I have written here today! Please leave a comment, however please behave with honesty, integrity, and allow for other people’s opinions. Thanks for reading!!